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"AlanJames1987 ....... Are you still around?"

I have been gone from this forum and open source software in general for nearly a year. Unfortunately my company started going south a had to be looked after. We are now back up and running well and I am again interested in KDENLIVE. It is good to see that this tread is still being talked about on here.

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I'm a professional video editor and have recently moved to linux. The only thing that stops me giving up Windows all together is the lack of a fully functional video editing alternative for linux.

KDEnlive is the only software that looks to be heading in the right direction. I have used numerous non-linear editing systems over the years including Avid, Premiere and Final Cut Pro but actually had my beginnings back in the Amiga days with V-Lab motion and later on, the Draco. Each system had it's advantages, but nearly all have drawbacks in either function or workflow.

I've always dreamed of being able to design a video editing package but have no programming knowledge. Here's the things on my wish list:

After working in news and current affairs I like things to be quick and easy. Access to, and management of, clips should be as simple as possible. The ability to 'subclip' from a larger file is very useful. Bin folders are also useful for grouping clips.

- Source tape timecode is vital. A captured clip needs to retain the timecode from the tape. This allows for batch capture and easy reference for logging of footage and for the export of EDLs.

- Keyboard shortcuts are the 'key' to efficient workflow. Transport keys (Play, Stop, FFWD, REW, frame-by-frame forward and back) are vital. So too, keys for splitting of clips on the timeline, insert or overwrite editing, head and tail trimming.

- Customisable keyboard shortcuts for all functions would be extremely useful.

- Many years ago Amiga had AREXX scripting, which enabled macro scripts to be written for all functions. This was very useful for customising and automating a sequence of functions. The scripts could be allocated to shortcut keys making it even quicker to do things. It enabled me to do things like automatically trim a group of clips to a desired length and place them on a timeline to match a piece of music. I could create a perfectly timed montage in a matter of seconds. I'm yet to find software that can do that today.

An ideal workflow for me would be to:
- Use the up and down arrows to scroll through the clip bin and instantly see them in the clip viewer or select them via the 'enter' key.
- Spool through the clip in multiple speeds. (arrow keys or J,K & L keys. Multiple presses changing the speed.)
- Mark the in and out points in the clip (I & O keys).
- Use keyboard short cuts (V or B) to either insert or overlay the clip at a timeline 'in' point or current locater position.
- Playback timeline from a keyboard shortcut (space bar)

Once clips are on the timeline, a double click should reopen them in the clip viewer where they can be shortened or lengthened.

Dissolves (and transition effects) should be simply applied possibly by double clicking on an edit point. The ability to apply dissolves to multiple edits between the in and out points is a great feature in many NLEs especially to smooth out audio edits.

Customisable workspaces are handy. Being able to decide what windows to have open or being able to set multiple workspaces is also a nice feature that Avid had half right. Their bin windows were always a nuisance.

Most NLEs get hung up on all the effects they can do, but the truth is professional editors rarely use effects. Professional editors just want to be able to cut things together quickly, review them and make changes quickly and easily. The only absolutely necessary(and most commonly used)effects are colour correction, resizing, titling and compositing.

Outputting should also be as stress free as possible. With Premiere I find I spend more time putting the final product to DVD than I spent editing it because of the slow rendering and file conversion processes.

So that's my dream system in a nutshell. I'd be keen to work with any programmers who may be able to help make these functions possible.

I really like how KDEnlive's progressing and look forward to seeing it develop even further.

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I meant to add, that some of the things I described in my ideal workflow are already available in KDEnlive. It was just a description of how I professionally like to work to contribute to for the forum.

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i dunno but it seems i can't get feed back for my script...

i have made this script that can automatically create a video project for kdenlive 0.7.8 i guess it should be nice for a professional user anyway....if you want see what you can do with it see this

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Can you explain exactly what the script is doing? Looks like the sort of automation I've been looking for. I'm on Linux Mint and haven't got 7.8 working yet. I'll try and get it up and running to try your script out.

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in 2 word the script works for you and creates a presentation of videos with random wipe effect from dolphin or terminal

mmm read this

http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/akm-video-qt?content=134476

see this one

http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/automatic-script-video

now i am working for the same script but for pictures.. i have to fix multiple istances but it should work as well if you do wha i have writtne here

http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/akw-qt?content=104980

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Here's a little about where I'm coming from. In in the Army and trained as a Video Engineer, got a little shooting and editing time under my belt. Problem is the Army isn't using my type (MOS) for what we were trained for. Anyway, I've been out the biz for a few years. Done my time with Final Cut, looked at Adobe Premiere (didn't have enough time to learn so didn't like it) and use Sony Vegas for my personal editing (family videos).

I'm commenting to bump the thread and throw in my two cents.

I'll second the comments about it needing to be reliable and efficient. I shouldn't have to dig around to find the tools I want to apply to my video. As in if I want to split the video a keyboard shortcut would be awesome, in Vegas press "S" and it splits the clip in the timeline where the cursor is at.

Is there a way to future-proof the video formats? I just learned I needed new NLE software because I got a camera that shoots AVCHD or .mts files. If Kdenlive could be future-format-proofed that would mean a lot to the users. We wouldn't have to re-learn another software to get our editing done.

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I am a professional documentary film-maker from Russia, I was using the Adobe Premiere for 7 years and Sony Vegas for 5 years. I wants to migrate to Ubuntu OS and found that Kdenlive 0.7.8 possible to use for my purposes, but there are many things I want to see in new versions:
0. The main problem, the project is loading very long time if it includes lots of clips (~ 3-4 minutes for 170 clips)
1. I can't find an real time audio monitor for check if there a overmodulation after all audio tracks have been mixed
2. I can't find the way of export without recoding of video stream
3. I find that the current position indicator on the timeline not led to my command (then the preview is not running and I change the position of current position indicator and then press the Space button - the video stars playing form the previous position)
4. The way for make audio transition is too complicated, I wants to see it more like in Vegas (for example, it will be cool if in overlay mode clips crossover each over with a transition by default)
5. I want to have ability to hide the title of clip on the timeline
6. I want to have ability to set up the general sound level for the audio track
7. There are still a lot of small bugs during manipulating video on several tracks (for example after moving by the 3-d (moving) tool)

I have to report more bugs for go on this good project :)
You already make great work!!! And hope you will keep activity.

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First of all, thank you for all the good ideas and hints, and thanks to non-professional users for not posting here. Please continue the same way after my post :)

I would like to briefly recap what has been added in the meantime (I do not mean the features to be complete, since everything can always be improved). I intend to occasionally update this post so as not to flood the thread.

  • Audio meters have been added to 0.7.9: Spectrogram, Audio Spectrum, and VU (Audio Signal). (@Weevil)
  • Color correction or color monitoring is possible since 0.7.8 with Waveform, RGB Parade, Histogram, and Vectorscope. (@Weevil, @MillionMonkeys)
  • 3-point-editing is (partially) implemented since quite some time (0.7.5?) already. (@Romuald, @ArtInvent)
  • Monitor fullscreen since 0.7.8 or 0.7.7 (@Romuald)
  • Effect categories since … did we ever not have them? :) (In 0.8: also for the Effect Stack menu) (@Romuald)
  • GUI profiles have been added in 0.7.9 (@Romuald, @gab3d, @GavinBask)
  • Select multiple items on the timeline is possible for a few releases (with grouping as well): Shift+Drag. (@interestedindividual)
  • Keyboard shortcuts for head/tail trimming, are there. Hopefully to be further improved. (@GavinBask)
  • Overmodulation detection will be in 0.7.9, in the audio spectrum prospectively. I've been working on it this evening. Not automatically yet though, you need to play through the whole video. (@divan)

@Romuald, please a drawing for the Trim mode.

Simon

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well dude, start with the BEST Linux distro for kdenlive 1st:

1./ -> UbuntuStudio (it's very powerful, and being based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, it's got everything, as long as you got the hardware) -and this is the "easy" way if you're not linux savvy.

And/Or,

2./ -> ARCHLinux/ARCHBang : this one is very close to my BSD/Unix heart, they are blazingly fast, and if you don't mind learning Linux/Unix all over again, the RIGHT way!, then I highly recommend ArchLinux/ArchBang to start again.

And/Or,

3./ -> Kubuntu : make sure it's 10.10 or better yet, 11.04, Kubuntu is much better than it used to be, and of course it is KDE, just like KDEnlive :)

the rest, to me, like openSuse, redFart,... are just platforms for big fat corporate advertizers like Microsoft/IBM.:) -ignore\avoid !

And Yes, of course I also have latest Adobe Priemiere-Pro 64-bit runnin' on similar Win7-64 bit, all on equivalent Raided-Hardware, the 3 of those alone set me back about $7k, and the below, set me back another $20k back then...
But with my Sony EX1 HD-camera. Matrox color-generator hardware, BlackMagic HD capture cards,... I figured I must have that above "Windows"-mentioned software. Well, I was kinda wrong, for my needs.
I am an independent film-maker, so to speak.

So, how did I jump on the "kdenlive" bandwagon? Well, it's simple, after I saw my friends' Sony Vegas, I thought, holy crap, Sony Vegas appears to be just a "rip-off" of kdenlive, and SONY is just charging people for this $$$hite ??! like wtf?

Is that "professional" enough 'fer 'ya ?

Again, and this is situational, but with "kdenlive" and the right Linux/UNIX distro of your choice you really don't NEED anything else.
-except of course your imagination.
so, my friend, stop searching for your talent and just USE it !

"Professionalism, is ALL just in your IMAGINATION" !
;)

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@ Granjow: "...and thanks to non-professional users for not posting here..."

I almost want to ask why would you even post a comment like you did above ?, but, then again, why bother right?
GL.

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@scjet I wonder if you took your time to read the first post of this thread? And whether you read more than half a sentence of my post?
I don't quite see how your posts are related to this thread.

non-professional = Users who don't work with video on their job.

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Romuald nailed all the basic functions that an NLE needs to have.

I don't agree with the general philosophy that Apple and Adobe (and Avid) has that an NLE should be able to do everything in the world. (That is actually the Achilles Heel of proprietary software) I'd focus on editing features, stability and compatibility instead of "cool new features that will sell at the next NAB and get clients hooked in upgrade cycles". After all - the Open Source community is not driven by the lust for the latest and hottest upgrades with the coolest new features that almost works - we're driven and motivated by openness and a sense of freedom.

I'd focus on editing. Get JKL to work. Follow Romualds suggestions.

The one addition I would make is how KDEnlive handles effects on the timeline. There is no points in having effects if you can't render and preview result on the timeline. Going the route of exporting an entire timeline to a video file that you then import or play externally to preview the end result is a non working solution.

I have 20+ years of experience with Avid, FCP, Premiere Pro and a lot of other packages. I'm an Adobe Influencer and used to work for Apple. I run my own production company and have several feature films and hundreds of high end commercials and feature films on my CV. I've worked in every format. 16mm, 35mm, 65mm, 70mm IMAX, DV25 and upwards, RED, CineAlta, Phantom, Arri Alexa and so on. I have years of experience working with post houses and integration between them. I know how important XML/EDL/AAF and intermediates are to them and to me for the daily work that we do.

Focus on the basics. Just my two cents.

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Nice script. But in the pro world we hire people to do transitions and editing or we do them ourselfs with the skills we've aquired through years of practice. I think the script is more usable to someone that would just have a quick way to put together some vacation shots.

Now if I could do the thing your doing but from a CMX formated EDL...that would be a completely different thing.

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Trying Kdenlive in the workplace.

Just to say that since my post I've kept track of developments. I've now done 4 videos for work with kdenlive in the last 2 weeks. I found it easy and quick to work with and the resulting video was as I imagined it would be. I'm super impressed and basically I'm gonna continue to use it - not for everything but I can only see myself using it more and more. Mainly because it is kinder at handling mpeg2 and flv formatted video which I'm highly dependent on. It works on kde which is my favourite desktop by a long way. After seeing my videos 2 people have asked what I used to make them and can they get it;)

Thanks so much for making such an awesome program!

I'd just like to go over my original list of requests by way of celebrating what is possible and expressing gratitude.

* Drag to insert a clip between two clips
***** Layer modes like dodge, burn, difference etc - work beautifully
***** clip opacity doesn't work for me and I need it - works beautifully
*** hi pass, low pass audio filters - 15 band eq is nearly there (good enough for most stuff)
*** stereo audio tracks should be linked mono tracks. With keyframing for pan, vol - all works but could be easier
***** Sound level meter with peak indicator - works beautifully
*** fully parametric eq - ideally with built in analyser - sweet
***** timecode overlay effect - works

7 out of 8!!!

Things that would be great...
* syncing up camera angles and easy jumping between them. Like the multicam interfaces in other pro NLE packages.
* fluid speed scaling. I set key frames in the video and link them to keyframes in the sound track. The program alters the speed of the video track to line up those keyframes. Ie my video can beat to the music more easily.
***** Clip properties like position, cropping, distorts, opacity. I'd like to be able to interact with the preview window as if it was a drawing canvas with keyframes too. - Works beautifully
* I don't want to see clip names on the timeline unless I look at the properties - visual clutter
***** I'd like to have left click drag selection to select multiple items on the timeline. - works with shift
***** I'd like an interface for importing clips from sdhc or hd based cameras. I'd want it to be able to handle fixing the aspect ratio of mod/moi files ie. turn them into proper mpeg2 files with a completed header. - aspect ratios can easily be fixed now!
***** A media/clip library with simple tagging and searching - backend on a media server? A separate but integrated app - KDE now has this built in for all files.
***** Would be great to set up a client/server rendering model so that the rendering can actually happen on a separate pc. A separated but integrated app. eg add batch conversions, I can use it without a project just to convert a file? etc. - possible with render scripts

5 out of 8!!!!

Having used it these are the things I find myself thinking...
What type of audio effects are used? Can I download more effects? For example I often like to use effects which are in audacity to clean out background noise and also I'd love a compressor? The audio spectrograph is gorgeous I reckon it would help newer users to understand what they are doing if the eq controls were live over the top of it perhaps with a curve displayed and 6 band parametric eq would meet most needs? For examples Roland m400 mixer or eq plugin for garageband. Is there a way to sync up the timeline with Jack and route my audio through other jack enabled software at render time? Maybe this is all already possible?

I have an idea for a way of handling the speed of a clip. Maybe this is to specific for making music videos however. I'd love to insert markers into a video track numbered 1,2,3 etc and then insert markers into a corresponding audio track 1,2,3 etc. Then have the program adjust the speeds of the clips to line up my markers. Then my video would beat to the music. This is obviously already possible with regular editing operations but I wonder if there is mileage in my idea for making it simpler?

Finally after a long post... THANKS SO MUCH!!!!

Cheers,

John

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<<>>MillionMonkeys I just took a look at the video you posted showing Red Giants color correction software. It looks to be very nice software, but does it support multiple shots? I like that Apple Color can import an entire sequence and keep each shot separate in the timeline.

Check out a demo of the interface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cw1_h3YjWw

I will need confirmation of this but could MLT be made to support more advance color correction? If so could a new program with a new interface be made to take full advantage of all the new color correction features built into MLT, basically KDENLIVE without any editing controls and a lot of GUI modifications. If this is possible it seems to be the best way to get a good integrated color correction software for Linux.
<<>>

hello alanjames1987 has write for color correct
i have same problem, i was hard to fix color on video bad color, but it's not easy to fix, to arrive perfect same color of other video...

i wrote open topic but maybe they are not undy..my topic:
http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/copy-valuecolorlightbilance-clip-clip-b

i did show to example site from eyeon but it's not work site eyeon

but alanjames has to show other example similar eyeon...
then i need this features 'automatic color correct' like copy parameter from video original or image original to video project...

i'm very lose big time job for correct color..
thank you to alan for to show an exmple link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cw1_h3YjWw
this is for professionals NLE

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Just wanted to add my 2 cents to this old thread.

Blender is quickly becoming the composite suite for video as well. Check out the new blender foundation project and objectives: http://mango.blender.org/about/

Kdenlive is really good as well, I'm not a pro but I do some editing and used extensively Premiere and Vegas. I am just beginning to use kdenlive and my hopes are high.

I am very glad to say that audio in linux is very advanced, in fact I migrated completely to linux for music/audio production. There are very advanced DAWs like Ardour (http://ardour.org/) and Qtractor (http://qtractor.sourceforge.net/qtractor-index.html), both are more advanced than audacity. There is a great project for sound score called open octave which is incredible (http://www.openoctave.org/). You have Hydrogen, seq24, sooperlooper for loop based composition etc. And hundreds of plugins and soft synths. So I don't think there is anything big missing in audio production.

As blender is aiming at video compositing this near future, it has already improved big time the motion tracker (and object tracker), and it will improve the keying and color correcting apps.

I haven't followed GIMP's development closely, but there is also Krita and cinepaint.

I am very excited of the current state of audio visual production software in linux.

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I might not a video-editor, but my I've been working in the field of long-term audio/video preservation the last few years, therefore dealing with national A/V archives and broadcasters.

Currently, my main focus is establishing Free Software within the professional video archiving domain. A major factor of acceptance of a tool which is available under a Free License (like the GPL) are not only its features, but mainly its perception as being "professional".

As a short lightning-talk on this year's FOSDEM, titled "FOSS in Broadcast" [1] emphasizes some important aspects:

a) "professional" must be perceived as "non-consumer".
Example: VLC is used these days by many professionals, but it is not recognized as a possibly professional tool, because everyone has it.

b) Many professionals still think: "If it's from vendor X and costs an insane amount of money, *then* it's professional" (quote: "They want Shinystuff(tm)!").

...even if a Free Software solution might do the job better than proprietary stuff: film/broadcast/studio is a domain where people want to feel "elite".

There's even more:

c) Many businesses providing tools for broadcasters, film-editors, etc. are unfamiliar with business-models behind Free Software. Therefore they are afraid to pick-up existing solutions, or even support Free Software tools (with resources or good references).

d) Material eXchange Format (MXF):
As already mentioned by user "Weevil" in an earlier comment on this thread [2], support for MXF is highly demanded these days. Most "professional" video/film equipment used today uses MXF as container. Legacy-fallback number one is MOV (Quicktime)
Interoperability with "considered-to-be-professional" equipment and tools is a must, if one wants to play within that league.

Short:
There are some features required for a tool to be useful in professional environments (color-space handling, timecode, "professional" containers (MXF, MOV), multi-track audio capture, SDI in/out, waveform, vectorscope, etc), but even if kdenlive would provide all these, its still a long way until it's accepted for usage by "professionals".

If kdenlive tries to support consumers *and* professionals, it might be hard to satisfy both, without becoming a "jack of all trades - master of none".

Taking "Ardour" vs "Audacity" for example:
Ardour is a high-level, professional DAW. Audacity isn't. For many users, Audacity is the better choice, as it might be easier for "consumer" tasks and has features like: "Load audio from almost any filetype".
Ardour on the other hand can only handle filetypes common in audio-engineering environments. And that's good, because then it stays focused on what is actually needed.

== References:
[1] http://video.fosdem.org/2012/lightningtalks/FOSS_in_Broadcast.webm
[2] http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/professionals-video-editors-only-please#co...

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I am just a video chopper, not an editor, but I like the idea of using an Ubuntu based editor directly on .flv files. I am pretty good with Windows Movie Maker, but as a contributor to the open source community and a big fan of Linux, I frequently use Ubuntu.

I would like to see tools to convert high bandwidth video and audio to a slideshow, less motion to reduce streaming bandwidth and yet preserve the high quality audio track of the video, which I guess could be a flash stream or mp4 or even mjpeg.

So my favorite thing to do, and it would be nice to do it server side, is convert a .flv stream to another lower bandwidth .flv stream while preserving the highest audio quality I can get.

I would be happy though if I even could use an editor tool to pick one frame so many milliseconds (usually 2000 or 5000) to display, probably with jwplayer, while the speech is the highest quality.

If I cannot work with .flv directly, I can always convert to another format, produce my high definition audio/low definition video version and then convert it back.

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nowardev: Wow!! This is really a great script :) Thanks man..

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I'm a semi-professional video editor. I have a Certificate III and IV in Screen and Media (have no idea if that means anything outside Australia!)

Anyway, until Lumiera is usable (if that ever happens), KDenLive seems to be the best NLE available free for Linux. And yes, that includes Cinelerra (don't even get me started). Blender is about the only other one that might be better, but it's a bit inpenetrable and I've yet to work it out.
In some ways KDEnlive is fantastic - I love the UI and general workflow and a lot of the features, but like so many open-source alternatives to commercial products there are some really obvious gaps in features etc.

While there are certainly more than the following, these are some missing features I would most immediately find indespensable:

-Snapping for tools, especially the Razor. As it is I have to zoom in until I can see each frame so that I can make a cut in the right place. I'd much rather be able to move the playhead to the right spot and simply snap-cut.

-Sound for scrolling/scanning timeline. If I haven't hit the play button, I still want to be able to hear the sound at the position of the playhead as I move it back and forth. While we're at it, sound should also play for fast forward and rewind. This and the last suggestion are absolutely imperative for the kind of pin-point editing required of professionals.

-More versatile text function. I need to be able to preview how my text will look in the video, and I need to be able to change it after it is created. C'mon guys, this is just not good enough.

-Reverse clip feature. Maybe not necessary for most projects, but it's still such a basic feature that I'm puzzled it's not here.

-Multiple sequences per project. I know I can import other projects as clips, but that's incredibly clunky and time consuming, especially when I have to jump between the two projects to edit each one individually.

-More powerful chroma-key function. The one included, with it's one pathetic slider, is next to useless. There really needs to be a LOT more options and variables. Come to think of it, more options and versatility for alpha manipulation in general would not go amiss.

If I wanted to nit-pick I could probably find a lot more places for improvement, but these are the main ones I can think of, and really the biggest problems letting KDenlive down. I guess I wouldn't mind a more powerful keyframing system - one that's universal and a feature of the timeline rather than being individually inputted into each effect, but I realize that would be quite difficult to implement, and not quite such a big deal because the current system is usable.

Even after these criticisms, I would still like to point out that KDEnlive still feels very nice to use. It's certainly a more pleasant experience than Final Cut!

*edit* One more thing - you need to be able to render the project not just to a file but for viewing in the preview window.

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>>More powerful chroma-key function. The one included, with it's one pathetic slider...

What version of Kdenlive are you talking about?

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@LonePiper - many of your suggestions are already covered.

re chroma key.
You are probably talking about the Blue screen effect. Kdnelive has another chroma key effect - Color selection
http://userbase.kde.org/Special:MyLanguage/Kdenlive/Manual/Effects/Alpha...

re: title editing. You can edit existing titles. Just double click them in the project tree and edit them. The edits appear in clips on the timeline. And you can check the show background box to show what it looks like under your title.

re: cutting - see http://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Timeline/Editing#Cutting_a_clip - you can just use shift +R to cut at the exact spot the time line carat/cursor is at.

re: reverse a clip - you can run a melt command at the command line to do this. But it is a feature that would be good.

melt -profile dv_pal_wide framebuffer:vid.dv?-1 -consumer xml:vidreversed.mlt
and you can load vidreversed.mlt onto the project tree and timeline

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-More versatile text function. I need to be able to preview how my text will look in the video, and I need to be able to change it after it is created. C'mon guys, this is just not good enough.

Which version are you on? I'm able to playback titles in realtime in 9.2. there are some odd quirks, if I edit text, the wordwrap changes when I close the title edit window and that screws up centring, but it's easily fixed by just going back for another quick edit to realign the text.

-Sound for scrolling/scanning timeline. If I haven't hit the play button, I still want to be able to hear the sound at the position of the playhead as I move it back and forth. While we're at it, sound should also play for fast forward and rewind. This and the last suggestion are absolutely imperative for the kind of pin-point editing required of professionals.

Sound is not particularly precise in terms of sync in Kdenlive in some cases at the moment. I think they need to fix that before they implement scrubbing. (Hopefully 0.9.4)

-More powerful chroma-key function. The one included, with it's one pathetic slider, is next to useless. There really needs to be a LOT more options and variables. Come to think of it, more options and versatility for alpha manipulation in general would not go amiss.

This is bizarre. There are so many alpha manipulation modes available in various keying functions in KDEnlive. It is far superior in that regard to Avid Media Composer 6 and rivals FCP. (I wouldn't trade Avid or FCP for KDenLive for professional time critical work, but in this area, it's got the pro app beat).

The trick is to use a combination of filters to achieve the best key, as you would in a professional compositing app.

-Multiple sequences per project. I know I can import other projects as clips, but that's incredibly clunky and time consuming, especially when I have to jump between the two projects to edit each one individually.

This is asking a lot, even Adobe Premiere didn't implement this until its 7th iteration, and some pro software such as Vegas still doesn't AFAIK.

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Scrubbing is now working in a git build, for a week or so.

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"Scrubbing is now working in a git build, for a week or so."
Really. Do you have to turn it on somewhere.

I have a 17 Jan 2013 git build from sunab. What date is yours?

mlt 0.8.8-0ubuntu0~sunab~precise1
kdenlive 0.9.3+git20130117.91ea0353-0ubuntu0~sunab~precise1
frei0r 1.3.0+git20130119.c3fdd674-0ubuntu0~sunab~precise1

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Okay, sorry - probably should have searched a bit harder for some of these functions.
For the record, I'm using 4.8.5

Re - Chroma key. Yes, I was referring to just the standard Bluescreen effect. I googled bluescreening in Kdenlive a while ago, and all the results I had were only pretty poor examples using this effect. I got the impression that it was the only real option.
Is the color selector supposed to be a standard effect, or one that I have to install? Because it's nowhere to be found in my program... *Goes off to download it*

Re - text. Umm... kinda messed up this one, sorry. Last project I worked on for some reason I couldn't seem to edit text after I had made it. Seems to be working now - my bad. But it still seems I can't preview what it will look like without playing the actual clip. There should be some option where you can display the frame at the playhead in the background of the text editor.

Re - Scrubbing. Good to hear they're working on getting scrubbing to work. Wasn't sure if it wasn't included because more work had to be done to get it there, or if it wasn't considered important.

Re - multiple sequences. Okay, I'm not an expert programmer, but is this really such a huge task to create? Citing commercial software not implementing it until recently is a non-sequitur. Just because they didn't do it, doesn't mean it's necessarily difficult. As I said, you can already import other projects without first rendering them. To me that would be the difficult part of the operation.

Re - cutting. Wow, thanks ttguy! Quite a different way of doing it to how I'm used to - most other softwares snap automatically to the razor (or equivalent) tool, so when searching for a solution that's what I was looking for. Well, problem solved!

Re - reversing clips. I know there's a command line way to do it, but as you say it would be better as a feature. Not everybody has the time or patience to mess around with the command line, especially for something as supposedly basic as this.

Additionally, dylanpank - you mention there are a lot of alpha manipulation modes. I'm taking it you mean mainly in the "transitions" (which is honestly a misleading name if you ask me, because they are way more than just transitions!)? Sure there are plenty there, but as for creating the original mask for them to use there isn't a lot, at least not preinstalled in the one I have. There's the aformentioned BlueScreen function, Mask0Mate and Rotoscoping. That's it.

Addendum - why do I only have version 0.8.2.1!?!?!? Shouldn't it update with my other software? I only just realized that the current version is 0.9.2
Seems the latest version in my package manager is the one I've got. Guess I'd better do something about that!
I guess sorry for a lot of silly questions then!

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@ttguy "I have a 17 Jan 2013 git build from sunab. What date is yours?"

26th Jan 2013, but it's been working for me for a couple of builds before that too I think.

@lonepiper, not sure what distro you're on but there are Fedora near daily builds from MLT site and Ubuntu via sunab's PPA's, latest git packages are available, there's also a more recent regular 'stable' version than you are using if on Ubuntu via sunabs 'stable' PPA. Then there's also the build script route which allows you to keep your distro repo's 'stable' kdenlive & MLT versions and also allows you to have the latest git build in dated folders within your home/.../kdenlive folder for cutting edge, best of both worlds. :-)

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Yellow - I'm guessing Ubuntu's repositories for kdenlive are just woefully out of date.
(I'm actually using Ubuntu Studio. I consider that quite ironic considering how badly it fails at being a studio OS. I plan to switch to straight xubuntu in the near future.)
I've gone ahead and added the PPA from the KDEnlive site and a lot of my issues have been resolved.
Honestly though, I'm sorry for turning what is supposed to be a suggestion thread from experts into a "how do I make this work" thread for newbs... Again, I should have done more research before posting my complaints.

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RE: audio scrubbing. I am finding this working in 0.9.3 / 0.9.4. But you have to hit play and then drag the play head around. If you start from a paused video and drag the playhead around you do not get the audio scrubbing.

Which is probably OK - I normally will get quite moving of the play head - but if I want it to be noisy I know what to do.

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re scrubbing, I'm not having to hit play, just dragging the play head works for me, weird. :-)

@lonepiper, yeah i used Studio a few years ago for the newer versions of jack integrated apps and such but gave up on it as development seemed at the time to slow down and moved to vanilla Ubuntu. Like KX Studio too, gave that up when KDE Desktop became the problem in sucking resources and arguments of fixing KDE performance bugs when using NVidia proprietary drivers. All in the past now though. :-)

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@Yellow - re:scrubbing. Hmmm. Yes very weird. And I just played with it some more and I don't like it the way it works for me because when you let go of the play head cursor the video keeps playing. And so it is not useful for positioning the play head. I am imagining people like audio scrubbing so you can position the play head at exactly the right spot with respect to some audio in the clip. And with how it is working for me - no go.

So from your comments Yellow I have a valid gripe to raise a mantis defect on. Something like "audio scrubbing not working unless clip is playing"

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I have noticed that you can get a kind of makeshift scrubbing by hitting play and moving the playhead around, but that really defeats the point of scrubbing, as you say ttguy. It feels like trying to climb into a moving car.

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On the 094 release page it says scrubbing is only available with openGL output.

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Haha that'll be it then, I have OpenGL toggled on in kdenlive config. So that's where I can turn it off. :-) jk

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Oh yeah :-). Checking the "use Open GL for video playback" checkbox in Settings > Configure Kdenlive > Playback section turns on audio scrubbing for real for me.

Thanks Marko

PS - I updated the manual on this.